tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post1322933353084906391..comments2024-03-28T00:43:37.279-05:00Comments on Future War Stories: FWS Movie Review: Space Battleship Yamato (2010)Williamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-82403818604348715302022-07-31T18:09:31.974-05:002022-07-31T18:09:31.974-05:00The big reason this happened in TNG was because Ge...The big reason this happened in <i>TNG</i> was because Gene Roddenberry was a mess of a man by 1987; as (eventually disgruntled) scriptwriter Melinda Snodgrass said at a convention, he was 'very old, very sick, and likely to die before the show ends' (which of course <i>did</i> happen.) Roddenberry had no idea how to do TV, much less write a script, anymore, and also had no idea what real people are like, either (plus his sexism got the better of him when he devised Deanna Troi originally; she was to have <i>three</i> breasts just like the character mentioned in <i>The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy</i> and the background character seen in the original version of <i>Total Recall</i>.) Why he ever thought that he could be a showrunner of this new show, I'll never know.<br /><br />Roddenberry should've been credited for developing the characters and the premise of <i>TNG</i>, and paid for that, but other than that, he shouldn't have been allowed to take control of the show, at all, or influence it (as much as I've come to accept the idea of kids being on a starship in <i>TNG</i> and on a space station in <i>DS9</i>.)Lionel Braithwaitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05251435131708623589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-24799845309229201772011-09-02T21:14:16.752-05:002011-09-02T21:14:16.752-05:00On MAC cannons- hey, the power of a MAC cannon may...On MAC cannons- hey, the power of a MAC cannon may seem shocking to us today, but what would an artillery officer in the 18th century though of modern day nuclear weapons and cruise missiles? A civilization capable of expanding through interstellar space would be capable of harnessing the power of a star- what is called a Kardashev Type-2 civilization. A MAC cannon releases a little less energy than the Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 did when it hit Jupiter. Perhaps a Type-2 would harness enough energy to power a weapon with such destructive power- especially if powerful alien ships are attacking!! <br /><br />Most hard SF, like Atomic Rockets, is based on near future technologies. Rail-guns, inefficient lasers, nuclear rockets, etc might be available to us in the coming century. A space warship built with near future technology would not be very powerful compared to what a far future civilization could do. Rocketpunk Manifesto talks about a "plausible midfuture" set in the future just beyond the near future where plausible, conservative space technologies enable us to explore the Solar System. Ion drives, solar sails, nuclear rockets, colony domes, space habitats, space stations, space elevators abound, but their are no FTL drives, gamma ray boomsticks, curious drive systems with incredibly high accelerations, etc. Beyond the "plausible midfuture" based on very conservative ideas with no tolerance for fantastic tech, i.e. the "far future", you could find any technology that doesn't violate physical laws will someday be created, and that some technology might just appear to be magical to us.<br /><br />I find that you can break SF tech down into three categories. Class 3 violate physical laws and is probably based on fluffy technobabble. Class 2 don't violate physical laws but are simply beyond our engineering capability for a long time to come. Class 1, "plausible midfuture" tech, is composed of only reasonable extrapolations of modern day technology. Class 1 does not permit anything that does not violate the known laws of physics- only stuff like ion drives or colony domes that is based on research today.<br /><br />My point is that beyond the "plausible midfuture", things like warped space or MAC cannons are possible. An interstellar civilization is beyond the plausible midfuture, so "real science space battles" 500 years in the future could make plausible midfuture speculation look like a battle between to native tribes with leaky canoes, wooden paddles, and sticks to hit the crew of another canoe with. <br /><br />I've noticed our real "super-uber-weapons" (atomic bombs) were only used twice in all of history, so probably "super-uber-weapons" of the future won't be used often either. Probably most battles will be fought with more mundane weapons either in space or planet-side.<br /><br />Christopher PhoenixAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-24095608612300525632011-09-02T20:48:40.772-05:002011-09-02T20:48:40.772-05:00Hi, William!!
Starfleet's schizophrenic attem...Hi, William!!<br /><br />Starfleet's schizophrenic attempt to be both a scientific, exploratory, military, and diplomatic organization insures Starfleet ships won't fulfill any role well.. I remember seeing children on the Enterprise in Star Trek Generations- but it makes no sense for a military spaceship to have children on board!! It doesn't really make much sense to have children in space, for that matter- they would be exposed to radiation during crucial periods in their development.<br /><br />A ship can't be an exploration craft, scientific laboratory, and military craft all at the same time and succeed at doing any role well. This is an example of a "Brain Bug", and idea that starts small but grow and grows too a ridiculous size in the fans minds, becoming an incoherent, confused tumorous mass wrapped around your spinal column. It makes the victim extremely vulnerable too- suggestion. <br /><br />In TOS, we see that the a starship is a versatile craft, capable of exploration and survey missions, military missions, and scientific missions. At times of trouble, a starship could carry out unusual tasks, like delivering vital medicine, etc. She was still a battlecruiser, however, and Starfleets main mission was obvious- penetrate deep space, contact alien civilizations, expand the boundaries of the Federation, and defend Federation interests. The Federation was aggressively expanding through space, and the Constitution class vessels served to defend the Federation's interests.<br /><br />Jump ahead to TNG, however, and now starships try to be scientific craft, explore space, carry out warfare (although TNG had pacifist themes), and raise families, of all things. Starfleet seems pretty bloated, as well, torn between scientific and military roles. At times Starfleet officers claim that tactical knowledge is no longer necessary. This has gone away from Gene Roddenberry's original vision. He said that nothing would happen on Enterprise that wouldn't happen on a modern day aircraft carrier. Well, you don't raise families on aircraft carriers, as far as I know.<br /><br />That is the world of Media SF for you- no one stops to consider if something makes sense.<br /><br />Christopher PhoenixAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-35751225920231520992011-09-02T11:56:55.353-05:002011-09-02T11:56:55.353-05:00I am working on the post on why Star Trek is not M...I am working on the post on why Star Trek is not MSF, and you rise the point I do...Starfleet attempts to have its starships be flexible, science, warfare, families, and so on...but it does none of them well. <br />The first time I read the numbers on the MAC guns from HALO, I was shocked, and honestly, it's ability to kill targets is unlike anything I've read in the real-science space battles. <br />The WMC of Yamato is one of those items, like the Reflex Cannons of the SDF-1 and SDF-3 from Robotech are badly overused and tired. I never liked how relient the Starforce and the RDF were on their "super uber weapons". As a friend of mine once said, "you have to hit me with it first."Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-43424159226868113202011-08-30T05:05:43.106-05:002011-08-30T05:05:43.106-05:00By the way, kinetic energy weapons are officially ...By the way, kinetic energy weapons are officially awesome. I'm not talking handheld rifles here (unless they are hyper-velocity). I am talking about gauss guns mounted on spaceships that shoot rounds at least a few kilometers a second.<br /><br />Rick Robinson's First Law of Space Combat states that "Any object impacting at 3 km/sec delivers kinetic energy equal to its mass in TNT". The formula for kinetic energy is KE=(1/2)M*V^2, as long as we are not talking about speeds where relativistic effects become important, in which case the correct equation is (1/ sqr. root of 1-(V/C)^2 - 1)*MC^2. (Yeah, I like physics.) Just ignore the convoluted way I tried to express an equation on this comment- just head on over to Wikipedia or Atomic Rockets to get all the equations you need.<br />http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/spacegunconvent.php<br /><br />Lets do some math. Lets say I have a Mass Accelerator Cannon that fires a 20kg projectile at 5000000 meters per second- 1.6% the speed of light. According the equation for kinetic energy, the projectile will deliver kinetic energy equal to 2.5*10^14 joules. That is equivalent to a 60 kiloton nuclear warhead!! The Little Boy atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima in on August 6, 1945 exploded with the energy of about 15 kilotons of TNT, so a mass accelerator cannon shot is equivalent to 4 Hiroshima bombs. The nuclear weapons currently in the arsenal of the United States range in yield from 0.3 kT to 1.2 mT equivalent. Of course, the projectile would probably punch straight through a spacecraft and exit out the other side with most of its kinetic energy. But then it could punch straight through another spacecraft...<br /><br />In the Halo universe, the MAC gun on an orbital defense platform fires a 3000 ton round at 40% light-speed, or 120000000m/s. This is no longer a strict hyper-velocity weapon- it is a relativistic weapon. Most of the fun with relativistic weapons starts above 90% light-speed, but the MAC gun shoots a slug fast enough I have to use the special relativity equation. It turns out that the MAC gun round will deliver 22.316 zettajoules (a zettajoule is 10^21 joules) to the target. Annual global energy consumption is approximately 0.5 zettajoules, for comparison. This is equivalent to 5.33 teratons- a teraton is 10^21 tons of TNT. This is a somewhat less than the impact energy of the Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 when it hit Jupiter, but close. Tremble in fear, lowly aliens!!! Your measly plasma weapons will never stand up to the power of Kinetic Energy!!!!<br /><br />Of course, that is the really big Orbital Defense Station's MAC gun. The MAC gun the ships carry is smaller. I'm too tired to calculate its KE right now. I hope I didn't make any silly math errors- I've checked them, but if they are wrong I'll make another comment to post corrections<br /><br />Once you reach high enough speeds, simple slugs of metal release more energy per ton than a nuclear warhead simply due to their kinetic energy. Adding a nuclear warhead is unnecessary because the lump of metal has enough relative velocity to the target to impact with the force of several atomic bombs going off. This means that rapid-firing magnetic guns and powerful Mass Accelerator Cannons are deadly in space, now matter what Trekkies think spaceship weapons should look like. Note also that hypervelocity impacts tend to release their energy like a bomb going off. An asteroid impact (or mass driver bombardment) would create massive explosions like nuclear weapons.<br /><br />Forget a wave motion gun- I want a MAC gun on my spaceship!!<br /><br />Christopher PhoenixAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-37119529607130314362011-08-30T02:09:02.235-05:002011-08-30T02:09:02.235-05:00Hi, William!!
I've never seen the Anime Space...Hi, William!!<br /><br />I've never seen the Anime Space Battleship Yamato. I looked at some of the movie on youtube- looks interesting. Didn't have time to watch all of it.<br /><br />I was thinking about Yamato's might Wave Motion Gun. (I watched that scene, all right!!) That is one of the few examples of a spinal mount weapon in media SF. A spinal mount weapon is a weapon that is literally the spine of a combat spacecraft- rather than mounting a weapon on a spacecraft, you built a spacecraft around the weapon. This is often done with powerful weapons like Mass Accelerator Cannons and particle beam weapons that are so big, they become an integral part of the spaceship's structure. The weapon is mounted along the long axis of the spaceship, and may double as a structural component.<br /><br />Spinal mount weapons take up a considerable amount of space on the ship, are her most powerful weapon (or amongst the craft's most powerful weapons), and often consume vast amounts of power. The gun is not mounted on the ship- the ship was built around the gun, the gun is the ship's spine, and the point of the ship is to fly into battle and blast the enemy out of the stars. <br /><br />This is another place where Starfleet's schizophrenic attempt to be a military force and exploration/science organization just doesn't work- the goals of scientific study and exploration and space warfare just don't mesh. A space warship doesn't have space for scientific labs or probes- it is filled with a giant gun. You don't send a crew of hundreds of valuable scientists- you send a crew insane enough to fly a giant flying gun into battle and wait for it to recharge while a bunch of xenos coming soaring in to unleash an X-ray laser bombardment. A scientific vessel will have well armed security teams and some self-defense weapons, but a space battleship will have a mass accelerator cannon along her whole spine. It is too bad we don't see this often in media SF.<br /><br />Christopher PhoenixAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com