tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post710679419420659917..comments2024-03-28T00:43:37.279-05:00Comments on Future War Stories: FWS Armory: Silenced Weapons by YoelWilliamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-74535388968264637882016-11-02T07:35:13.895-05:002016-11-02T07:35:13.895-05:00Thank you for taking the time to write this articl...Thank you for taking the time to write this article. It is really good and useful article about silencers. A lof of illustrations make it easier to understand how suppressors work. You can add information about Salvo shotgun suppressor which was recently released.Rem870http://www.rem870.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-60804010066863827782016-07-26T17:26:11.559-05:002016-07-26T17:26:11.559-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Norman G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06436615529422158866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-57754011353477300772016-07-23T19:40:28.945-05:002016-07-23T19:40:28.945-05:00While I do realize that shotgun spread isn't a...While I do realize that shotgun spread isn't as dramatic as portrayed in popular media (Mythbusters and Deadliest Warrior saw to that), it's still something of a concern when dealing with shots that are designed to spread over a wide area when a suppressor is utilized. I can only assume, since I don't hunt myself let alone own a shotgun, is that a shotgun suppressor would be best useful against game that are too temperamental when an unsuppressed slug shot is used.<br /><br />I also realize that the plasma suppressor for apparently neutralized particle beam weaponry is for your own setting, but the idea is interesting enough to consider. Granted, until someone can figure out how to mitigate the whole radiation backwash of particle beam weaponry outside several layers of armor, it would probably remain within the realm of heavy ACV. Let alone infantry small arms, though I guess there's some way to use magnetic fields to push the radiation backwash away from the shooter but something tells me that it won't work that way....Sabersonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304850400062201271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-28335188426841615622016-07-23T11:37:22.687-05:002016-07-23T11:37:22.687-05:00The adjustable gas valve that bleeds off propellan...The adjustable gas valve that bleeds off propellant to reduce the projectile velocity is an interesting idea, one that I really hadn't heard of before. The weapons operation would likely have to be handled electronically as well, the recoil impulse and gas pressure would likely be too varied between super and sub sonic settings to allow normal mechanical operation, as it is in modern firearms. The Mp5SD is designed to bleed off gas and reduce 9mm to subsonic velocities, but it is not configured for nor capable of firing supersonic ammo. <br /><br />Another thing that I think is interesting to note is the over the barrel suppressor. As it sounds there is a section of the suppressor that extends over the suppressor, and allows gas escaping the muzzle to travel backwards. It increases the internal volume without adding any length to the weapon, which is useful since suppressors are fairly heavy, most weighing over a pound, and they're way out on the muzzle where leverage is working against the shooter. The downside to over the barrel suppressors is that they are somewhat limited as to the barrels they can be installed on: some handguards, gas blocks, bayonet lugs, or even a barrel with too large a diameter can all interfere with mounting an over the barrel suppressor.<br /><br />Another thing to add is that suppressors can be differentiated by internal design: most use baffles to disrupt the gas flow, but some newer designs use "flow through" layouts, which supposedly reduce back pressure. <br /><br />The suppressor function of the law giver from the Judge Dredd reboot was just silly: if you've got a suppressor built on to your gun, why not use it at all times? And also the way it just kinda slides out forward a fraction of an inch: what's going on internally? Any gain in internal volume would be minimal, and not worth having to add the mechanical actuator to move the blasted thing in the first place. Some of my designs have integrated suppressor components: for example baffles or expansion ports machined into the exterior of the barrel itself, which reduces weight and enhances cooling when shooting unsuppressed, but the bulk of the suppressor remains totally detachable. <br /><br />I can't think of anything else to add, my hands on experience with suppressors is limited at the moment, but when I have the disposable income, I will certainly try to aquire a couple. As a final note, I've commented here before but have been unable to log into my Google Play account lately. I'll try to sort that out shortly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-5533310614210812192016-07-23T11:36:13.412-05:002016-07-23T11:36:13.412-05:00Your question as to whether shotgun suppressors co...Your question as to whether shotgun suppressors could be damaged from the use of shot (pellets) is a point I wanted to make that I had forgotten, the reason shotguns generally don't suppress well is that the bore size on the suppressor has to be appropriately huge compared to other firearms. As soon as the wad (little cup that holds the projectiles) leaves the bore it is no longer being compressed by the barrel, and starts to spread. A shotgun has a large bore to begin with, and the suppressor needs to be even larger to prevent baffle strikes. The spread isn't that much, video games and movies have skewed people's views of the range of shotguns as being point-blank range only, when in reality even the most compact shotguns are useful at 15-25 yards. <br /><br />My plasma suppressor really only applies to my personal particle beam weapon design, which actually is a neutral beam. It utilizes tritium-deuterium fusion to create a plume of relativistic neutrons, which serves to deal the actual damage. The plasma is just an unavoidable side effect, and as it is relatively low velocity isn't worth much in the way of damage. Charged particle beams in vacuum are invisible, but in air are unavoidably bright due to their ionization of the air. Neutral particle beams may be mostly invisible in atmosphere, but the idea there is to accelerate as many of the atoms as possible, and any kind of flash suppression likely won't be necessary. It's all speculative technology though, so adding one for the sole reason of "it looks badass" is perfectly acceptable. <br /><br />Another thing I forgot was about silencing bows, most modern bows have numerous built in vibration dampers to reduce noise. It would be interesting to see if this tech could be applied to firearms as well, there are already companies who sell silent buffer springs for use with suppressed AR-15s, in addition to a number of other accessories meant to improve suppressed rifles. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-54255275023534210452016-07-22T20:24:31.802-05:002016-07-22T20:24:31.802-05:00Had to split it because it was too long......
Als...Had to split it because it was too long......<br /><br />Also, I too like Anonymous' proposal for a plasma suppressor for Charged Particle Beams. Not too sure if it also applies to Neutralized Particle Beams in space use, but I have a distinct feeling that it would apply as well.<br /><br />Looking forward to the article on Bolterguns.Sabersonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304850400062201271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-61913304312420442702016-07-22T20:23:54.103-05:002016-07-22T20:23:54.103-05:00A very enlightening article there Yoel. Though to ...A very enlightening article there Yoel. Though to be quite honest, I never heard of the alternate term "moderator" for the silencer/suppressor. Though something tells me that it would be the most accurate when describing the effects it would have on conventional firearms, especially of the autofire variety. And I never knew that there were wet silencers and even bow silencers, something to keep note. Also interesting to note that the mechanics of the gun that can make the "silencing" of a gun even more problematic, though from the articles alone the act of suppressing the cycling of the round is largely the realm of the shooter themselves. It almost lends itself to an atmosphere of suspence to make that all important firt shot, lever lock not withstanding in said drama.<br /><br />Never knew that there were such a thing as piston cartridge, though by the sound of the effect said piston has on the bullet, it doesn't have much purpose outside of "wetwork" operations on its own. Which is probably where the chem-Rail operation comes into play. To be quite honest, I wasn't really sure how a chem-EM weapon would work until this article, if only because of my limited interaction with the subject at hand. It certainly gives me a few ideas for my own setting's version of the over/underslung gunlauncher: The round being pushed into acceleration via chemically-accelerated intergrated piston into the coilgun assembly. Now just how to work out the whole piston-cartriage ejection... Then again, now that I thought about it, probably a better idea to go with the captive-bolt operation rather than have it all encapsulated within a single cartridge. It would be lighter for a soldier to carry just subsonic blanks rather than having pistol-cartridges that would have to be longer than conventional cartridges, double that if one wanted the bullets to accelerate at a respectible distance. Then again, how would one even perform an autoloader version of this setup? Granted, its probably best to make it a single round like many other contemporary attached grenade launchers, but still the brain worm still burrows and won't leave the idea alone. Eh, I'll probably have to sleep on it or something.<br /><br />Speaking of the piston cartridge, it also helps me personally on how to imagine LGG for at least semi-automatic fire. Though considering the total length said LGC would have to be to have it be of considerable range unassisted, the smallest magazine-fed platform would have to be anti-material sniper rifles (would it still be considered a rifle considering the initial setup?) wielded by 40K style power armor troopers. It would probably still be within the realm of heavy ACVs and large vessels both seaworthy and orbital. Still, an interesting idea to entertain oneself.<br /><br />The idea of a Reactive Muffler that either uses destructive interference or frequency shift to remove the audible boom of a gun does sound interesting and potentially show technological advance in an otherwise contemporary or near-future setting, though the electronic Regulated Gas Valve would sound the most plausible given the skeptisim of the former. Speaking of which, I always wondered how silencers would work on a shotgun when it uses either birdshot or buckshot. Wouldn't all those beads just collect in the buffering chambers, if not damage them?<br /><br />I'm also figuring that the main reason why one would choose a disposable suppressor instead of a normal suppressor would be mass and cost. Though I have a feeling that those two points would be nullified if one were to carry multiple disposable suppressors. Initially, thanks to Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater demo, I thought that a disposable suppressor was due to the early-generation aspect of all silencers of the era. That is, the technology to make suppressors reliable after many rounds wasn't pioneered until decades later. Sabersonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304850400062201271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-73971137620929894652016-07-22T19:51:56.174-05:002016-07-22T19:51:56.174-05:00Another excellent article about Suppressors in Sci...Another excellent article about Suppressors in Sci-fi. And a tip of the hat to the anonymous person about what he said in his comments about suppressors in video games. Nicholas Mewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02823238401109164712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-12120668570875775512016-07-22T14:33:00.081-05:002016-07-22T14:33:00.081-05:00I had an "suppressor" on my Colt Command...I had an "suppressor" on my Colt Commando paintball carbine for years. PB Suppressors were very common in the early days of paintball until the ATF cracked down on homebrew suppressors of the PB market.<br />I like your plasma suppressor! <br />Thanks for the comment! Yoel does an amazing job. <br />Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-6665121097535580882016-07-22T13:49:58.667-05:002016-07-22T13:49:58.667-05:00Another very well researched article, as I've ...Another very well researched article, as I've come to expect. I'd like to add a few points, however. <br /><br />The idea that "suppressed guns do less damage" is a common, and annoying, trope in video games. It's probably meant to balance gameplay, if they were going for realism however switching to subsonic ammo would make sense: less damage and range, but vewy vewy quiet....<br /><br />Many shooters actually prefer to shoot suppressed all the time, due to the advantages listed, as well as increased accuracy: many precision shooters swear that titanium direct thread suppressors close their group sizes slightly. They also report slightly increased muzzle velocity, with the extra propellant burning up in the confines of the suppressor, and imparting just a little extra kick to the projectile. <br /><br />Another thing I'd like to add is what's known as first round "pop". Particularly on automatic weapons, with certain suppressor designs, the first round in a string of rapid fire is usually the loudest, due to burning up the extra oxygen in the suppressor. Subsequent shots this oxygen is expelled, and results in slightly less noise from gas expansion at the muzzle. <br /><br />It's also worth mentioning that suppressors are used on air rifles as well, despite them not burning propellant, just using pressurized gas. Any weapon using pressurized gasses for propulsion could benefit from a suppressor, it would even be possible for similar muzzle devices on other advanced types of weapons. Railguns are known for intense electrical arcs, especially those which use plasma armatures, so some type of flash mitigation would be helpful. One of my own far future particle beam weapons emits a plume of plasma as a side effect of the acceleration process, and a magnetic nozzle at the muzzle is used to dissipate this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com