tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post6542913435113593367..comments2024-03-28T00:43:37.279-05:00Comments on Future War Stories: The Barracks: Stormtroopers and ShocktroopersWilliamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-78334421785997934412016-12-28T23:56:31.327-06:002016-12-28T23:56:31.327-06:00One you missed: the Visitor soldiers from the 80s ...One you missed: the Visitor soldiers from the 80s "V" were called shocktroopers, though they only really came close to the function once in "V: The Final Battle" when they raided a Resistance headquarters. Otherwise they were pretty much the standard Visitor soldier. I'm thinking the creator chose "shocktrooper" because "stormtrooper" would invoke Star Wars, and he didn't want that.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257019441860891929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-17814479162760287812016-04-10T00:29:19.155-05:002016-04-10T00:29:19.155-05:00"Strumtruppen" does not mean "Storm..."Strumtruppen" does not mean "Storm men", as the article claims. It simply means "assault troups". The German word "Sturm" can mean "storm", but also 'assault'.<br /><br /> Consequently, the correct translation the SA (Sturmabteilung) of the Nazis is "assault division". Pompous name for a bunch of guys in brown shirts, sure. They were Nazis, after all.Ingo Heinscherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01988243034164208705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-3464671783376119052016-04-08T20:31:01.345-05:002016-04-08T20:31:01.345-05:00Not sure about a concealing mask. They wore a tiar...Not sure about a concealing mask. They wore a tiara with a Veil to keep dust and glare down a thin fabric probably akin to modern Persian head dresses. as for concealing their identities add in a persian beard. they had a wicker shield and a spear, with maybe scale armor under a robe. by contrast at Thermopylae they clash with Hoplites with heavy wooden with bronze plating shields and bronze armor and spears. <br />they did maintain a fixed number of 10,000 men. They were considered the elites of the Persian empire and sometimes called companions as in Companions to the king. LCONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04841691624835390231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-20711190146147832862016-04-08T10:32:19.718-05:002016-04-08T10:32:19.718-05:00Well the only reason that they were called the imm... Well the only reason that they were called the immortals was that new soldiers were constantly promoted to their ranks to maintain their number at 1000, and that they wore identity concealing masks, presumably to make it look like none of them ever died. That's what I remember at least, its been a while since I read any ancient history.Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13534610668635337473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-78429480546594799342016-04-08T10:29:19.369-05:002016-04-08T10:29:19.369-05:00As usually a great post. I'm not sure if they...As usually a great post. I'm not sure if they would count, but the Shotgun Combine from Half Life 2 might fight the bill as shock or storm troops. They are armed with shotguns, and will run straight at you to get into close quarters. If you add that to the dehumanising armour and indoctrination that they share with other shock troops in SF have then they are a pretty good fit for the description.Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13534610668635337473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-87130431669774856002016-04-08T07:22:31.601-05:002016-04-08T07:22:31.601-05:00Books but especially Musicals or rather Opera, Der...Books but especially Musicals or rather Opera, Der Ring des Nibelungen by Wilhelm Richard Wagner. I am using the term Victorian loosely but this was a period of Romanticism. When the old world and the medieval was looked to in a dashing and fashionable light. The Ideals of Nobility were espoused on to the Ancients and the mythos was rewritten often recast and blended.<br /> The horned helmets and vikings of Wagner were set to inspire yet the troubles of the time meant that it was not long before Wagnerian Vikings clashed with the Arthurian of Britannia. The popular Viking myth is mostly rooted in that clash. The Horns and berserker myth root from that the horns of the Opera with the "Hun" of propaganda from the start of the world wars period. LCONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04841691624835390231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-25638678678085811012016-04-07T10:08:48.360-05:002016-04-07T10:08:48.360-05:00So the "clasical" view si perfect exampl...So the "clasical" view si perfect example of shocktrooper. But why would Victorians want to increase the psychologiacl effect of vikings? Or it was just part of entertainment to make the book or something more interesting ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764279335988327491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-63875532303225711532016-04-06T23:11:08.748-05:002016-04-06T23:11:08.748-05:00On the Berserker thing, we have to blame the Victo...On the Berserker thing, we have to blame the Victorians I think. They gave us the Horned Helmets to, It's Artistic licence more than anything, The objective being to make a enemy a greater more feared threat.<br /> Like what the Movie the 300 did to the Immortals. <br />If you watch the 300 You see these monsters in Silver Kabuki masks bringing shear terror. If you study the Immortals you find that they were far more conventional and even far under weight for face the Greek Hoplites. <br />The Image we have of the Berserkers is based I think on the Propaganda and psychological relics of the Brits who faced them as a threat.<br />A combination of Embellished stories of the Raids by Vikings, The Actual effects of these raids and the intended effects of them. Psychological warfare is a known part of the actual Viking playbook and today can still be a critical piece of battle. <br /> Like the old story of your great grandfather's barn being burned on Sherman's March even if your Great Grandfather's Barn was hundreds of miles away. The Psychological effect of an invader marching through and foraging of the civilian populace packs a bigger wallop then the actual physical devastation. <br />Take a look again at the list of Scifi "Shocktroops" and You will note that they are often masked to conseal and dehumanize. Often altered physically to make them even more aggressive, like the Indoctrination seen in Mass Effect 3 To the Cerberus Troops. or the Warhammer Space Marines or the Kerbose where the Name used for the Unit Kerbose is a variant of Cerberus the 3 headed guard hell hound of myth. LCONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04841691624835390231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-68210556620995064542016-04-06T09:51:36.711-05:002016-04-06T09:51:36.711-05:00Thanks! I will look up the video. The berserker ca...Thanks! I will look up the video. The berserker came from several sources on being an original concept of the Shocktrooper.<br />Thanks for reading and commenting!Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-75736536685454972192016-04-06T06:39:19.725-05:002016-04-06T06:39:19.725-05:00Very good article but I think the berserker part i...Very good article but I think the berserker part is wrong. I would sugest video on youtube from lindybeige on berserkers. And sorry for my english.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-37543490727981769292016-04-06T05:58:17.803-05:002016-04-06T05:58:17.803-05:00Another excellent article. I liked it very much.Another excellent article. I liked it very much.Nicholas Mewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02823238401109164712noreply@blogger.com