tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post5870236850392767506..comments2024-03-28T00:43:37.279-05:00Comments on Future War Stories: FWS Topics: Will Nautical Navies Coexist with Space Fleets? Williamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-65524730481371543492021-06-03T13:33:02.378-05:002021-06-03T13:33:02.378-05:00Another possibility is a laser submarine. Since su...Another possibility is a laser submarine. Since submarines already have to deal with hundreds of megawatts of waste heat from their reactors, managing hundreds of megawatts of waste heat from a laser becomes trivial. A submarine based laser could be more powerful than one mounted on a spacecraft simply because managing the waste heat is far less complicated. <br /><br />A potential downside to a laser submarine would be the need to have its turret above the surface (unless it is firing at a blue wavelength and has super-adaptive optics), but if it is protected by escort submarines, this becomes less of a downside. <br /><br />On the plus side, a laser submarine can be used for multiple purposes: it can boost spacecraft (or missiles) into orbit, shoot down incoming missiles and aircraft, blind satellites, or be used in a low power mode for discrete (tight beam) communication with a friendly ship in orbit.<br /><br />The curvature of a planet need not be a downside either; the laser could fire at a series of mirrors in geosynchronous orbit which can re-direct the beam above and below or even around the planet to strike targets out of the laser's line of sight.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00701236867217947618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-79395542535713933612021-06-02T12:09:49.893-05:002021-06-02T12:09:49.893-05:00It is already being plannedIt is already being plannedWilliamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-6955827290758529782021-06-01T13:56:09.705-05:002021-06-01T13:56:09.705-05:00You should do a blog on hand grenades.You should do a blog on hand grenades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-79274058883344194592021-05-31T05:35:35.540-05:002021-05-31T05:35:35.540-05:00An interesting article, especially since it questi...An interesting article, especially since it questions the plausibility of Surface Naval and Coast Guard elements in an era where a Star Fleet/Space Force/Astronautica/Cosmo Fleet/Spacy are present. Your entry does present some interesting solutions, especially that of Anti-Satellite/Counter-Orbital defenses in the form of submarines that can easily hide in said deep blues.<br /><br />Then again, this also makes the assumption that said Earth and similar oceanic-featured worlds are united under a single banner, a logical conclusion for many a sci-fi and space opera settings. But what of a divided/balkanized world? It was briefly mentioned in terms of hostile aquatic natives, but is it really realistic to expect that whatever spacefaring nation that performs first landing and first settlement upon a planet to have dominion over an entire planet, especially during the early days of interplanetary and eventually interstellar colonization?<br /><br />It wouldn't be too surprising if land wars are the spark for many an exo-solar war due to terrestrial boarders of colonies and settlements on a singular planet, which would also justify oceanic trade that needs to be defended. Granted, such a setup could only work the best if one's orbital assets make it difficult for a nation to claim an entire planet effectively and that would be something that could change overtime, but that is still a plausibility.<br /><br />As for the fortress island analogy, well I recall a saying that goes around "If you protect everything, you protect nothing" or something along those lines. Defending an island's most important assets is critical, but if one can force any invading force to approach at a certain direction, a certain beachhead, then one can even plan a strategic trap to ensure that a good chunk of the invasion force is incapacitated and that any survivors would make any further attempts at invasion difficult at best, and that's not even getting into the logistical side of it. Double if one is able to put said "beachhead trap" or even "drop zone trap" in a largely inhospitable region where the local defenders have a deeper understanding of the environment in terms of surviving and fighting, compared to an invasion force has simulated training at best.<br /><br />Also, I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Battleship movie and the Jumpships of the Regents. Then again, considering the film in question, I cannot blame you for the omission.Sabersonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304850400062201271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-1572411434469190132021-05-26T18:38:20.613-05:002021-05-26T18:38:20.613-05:00Thanks, and to you as well. Your writings and inve...Thanks, and to you as well. Your writings and investigations on military sci-fi are an inspiration for me. Keep it up, I look forward to your future posts!Distant Tidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00049904889272537891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-59239898484376539572021-05-26T17:15:30.586-05:002021-05-26T17:15:30.586-05:00Thanks for the clarity on this. I will edit the ex...Thanks for the clarity on this. I will edit the example from HALO. However, it is damn fine work on forging the maritime force of the unsc. Damn fine work.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-36022870854209607142021-05-26T14:43:14.834-05:002021-05-26T14:43:14.834-05:00Once again your reseach, analyses and critical thi...Once again your reseach, analyses and critical thinking are first-rate. Many thanks.Neil Houltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16492218308867116291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-67510378525246324582021-05-26T11:54:26.508-05:002021-05-26T11:54:26.508-05:00Hey, this is Distant Tide. I'm from the Halo F...Hey, this is Distant Tide. I'm from the Halo Fanon community and an on-and-off viewer of your blog. Really good stuff and gives me a lot to think over when writing stories.<br /><br />Unfortunately, my jumpy friend above is right. The Maritime Operations is from one of my Halo Fanon articles, but was inspired by very loose references to a "wet fleet" in Halo lore - particularly the Halo 3 multiplayer map Longshore that featured a UNSC maritime aircraft carrier, and Halo Reach's radio transmissions that had Marines mistake a space frigate as a 'maritime' one.<br /><br />My article referred back to Halopedia which I consider the go-to source on cataloged Halo lore since they used to feature a "seaborne" force subsection under the article but it seems its been moved since I last worked on Maritime Operations. I can't exactly point you in a good direction to amend the references to the Maritime Ops/Wet Fleet so that your blog post is more canonically accurate, but I can point to you to some articles that at least point out where my Halo Fanon article came from.<br /><br />Your summarizing of my fanfic additions like the problem-sailors, the organization name, and referencing coastal patrol duties had me through the roof. I'm glad my interpretation of Halo was reasonable enough that it could make it to your blog. Sorry for the inconvenience.<br /><br />Here's a few links I could muster from Halopedia:<br /><br />https://www.halopedia.org/Aircraft_carrier<br />https://www.halopedia.org/Human_marine_craftDistant Tidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00049904889272537891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-70348592723751734672021-05-26T11:33:03.070-05:002021-05-26T11:33:03.070-05:00Your Halo example is a fan fiction article by the ...Your Halo example is a fan fiction article by the way. So, not canon to the universe, just from the mind of an eager fan. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-68805202490386703822021-05-25T17:43:08.692-05:002021-05-25T17:43:08.692-05:00To quote Futurama:
"How much pressure can thi...To quote Futurama:<br />"How much pressure can this ship take?"<br />"Well it's a space ship, so, none."ZarPaulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923548883992534673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-64145069279157734882021-05-24T19:56:58.453-05:002021-05-24T19:56:58.453-05:00Damn, that was an impressive comment Damn, that was an impressive comment Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218428427067689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-726484495782035142.post-80578893770838755662021-05-24T18:22:36.459-05:002021-05-24T18:22:36.459-05:00Hey all,
Just to preface this, I am not an expert...Hey all,<br /><br />Just to preface this, I am not an expert at any of these topics, and what I do know is from fiction books and video games. That being said I do have a few thoughts:<br /><br />My argument will be against a naval force or a large naval force And the planet in question would be similar to earth, with large bodies of water and a land based population. This argument could quickly change if one of these two points is adjusted.<br /><br />So invading a planet with a population that lives on land would mean that you do not need a large navy for a few reasons that I can think of:<br /><br />1. Distance. (Invading side)<br /> If you are attempting to land an invading force made of soldiers of any size you must first cross the distance from the landing point to the closest point of land. Just as Neapolitan and German armies died trying to cross land to get to Russia, the invading force would also have to have vessels that can cross the high (or possibly very low!) sea's. As the invaders you do not know what is out there, if there are aggressive fish that could take on your boats, currents, and land masses too small to detect by orbital weather satellites. To counter this you would need vessels that can survive a large amount of variables and still hold an effective invading force. This would be costly to the invaders in monetary terms, the infrastructure to build such boats on another planet, ship them to space (or build them in space) and then deploy them to the surface is an extreme solution to just an VTOL landing craft.<br /><br />1a. Distance (Defending side)<br /> The defenders face the exact same issues, but are more likely to know the nature of the oceans that are attempting to be used against. But even then the defenders might only know their own shores well enough to be useful.<br /><br />The best defence I can see to a naval invasion is a mixture of placing mines, patrols, and an air force capable of stalling an invading naval party. (And by this point in space time I expect the air force would have largely replaced the naval forces.)<br /><br />2. What are you invading anyway? (Invaders side)<br /> So you landed in the middle of nowhere, great! The enemy isn't here which is nice, but there isn't exactly any value here right? I mean even if the invaders only wanted the liquid that this sea is made of, unless it's made of raw engeron the infrastructure it would take to mine/refine the liquid to a state that is reasonably transportable to your invading armies planets factories would be too large and difficult to defend reasonably. And for a land based population you are not nearly close to home enough to scare the population into submission. (public media pending ofc)<br /><br />2a. What are you defending anyway? (Defending side)<br /> A bunch of water? Splish splash go take a bath! Short of you being the planet with the most lenient population in the galaxy, no-one would allow the government budget to build a network of mines to cover the entiere’s planet with mines.(just think of the turtles!) And remember, all the enemy has to do here is land where there is less or no defences.<br /><br />3a. Where are they? (Defenders side)<br /> So you convinced the governing body to build an impressive set of fleets. Great! Good job and score one for the budget wing, government is alive and well. Now, where do you patrol? This is the impossible question that in my mind ends the argument that a naval force is useful in an orbital invasion.<br />All the invading force has to do is land where you are not. That's it. Be it a naval force or VTOLS to land, it hardly matters. The defending naval force would be spending all its time relocating to the last seen position of the enemy force, and not a shot is being made. Sooner or later the fleets would have to turn back and rearm/refuel. Doesn't matter if you own an antimatter engine or not. The belly can only endure so many reconstituted veggie-burgers.<br />The_Directorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07271479877619914934noreply@blogger.com